Debate: "Does God Exist?" (2007)

by C.L. Bolt on March 24, 2010

Part I

Part II

Audience Q+A

{ 10 comments }

Shotgun March 24, 2010 at 2:20 pm

Wow…I’ve been in Northern VA this whole time…I wish I had known about this! I’d have been cheering you on Mr. Bolt!

Nocterro March 24, 2010 at 2:30 pm

Err…you used his EXACT example with the petting an animal/running away; but with an elephant instead of a tiger.

C.L. Bolt March 24, 2010 at 2:33 pm

Seemed like a good enough example to me. His new frog one is pretty good too.

Nocterro March 24, 2010 at 2:41 pm

“What? Plantinga thought of an argument like that too?! You know what they say about great minds.”

Are you claiming to have been unaware of Plantinga’s argument at the time of this debate?

C.L. Bolt March 24, 2010 at 2:48 pm

If I “used *Plantinga’s…argument* against naturalism without citing Plantinga” then how could I have “been unaware of *Plantinga’s argument* at the time of this debate”?

Is there a point to this?

Saleem March 24, 2010 at 2:48 pm

Hello, C.L. Bolt!

Can you explain to me how your argument can not be turned around on the Christian theist?

In particularly, is not “the noetic of effect of sin” a defeater for the Christian theist’s belief?

Thanks.

–Saleem

Nocterro March 24, 2010 at 2:52 pm

I’m saying it is VERY unlikely you were unaware of it. And if you were in fact aware of it, you should have mentioned that the argument is Plantinga’s own work. Not citing him gives the impression that it is your own argument.

C.L. Bolt March 24, 2010 at 3:00 pm

If that were true we would not be having this discussion.

But I will try to comment some on this when I have more time.

Nocterro March 24, 2010 at 3:05 pm

You’re dodging the issue. You need to make one of three statements:

1) You were unaware of the argument and it was an amazing coincidence.
2) You simply forgot to cite Plantinga in the debate.
3) You were intentionally trying to present his argument as your own.

Why can’t you just state publicly what is going on with your use of this argument? I sincerely hope (3) is not the case; however if (1) or (2) are the case, I can see no reason why you would not just explicitly state that.

C.L. Bolt March 24, 2010 at 3:11 pm

No I am not “dodging the issue”. I will address it when I get back to blogging, Lord willing.

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